[link] A war that you cannot survive in less than one minute with a normal soldier. The Space marines have been around for nearly ever since the legends begin to grow. They only fight for the good of their powerful god, The emperor.
Comparing the bullets to the Space Marine rounds, think you can survive from one shot?
Done by me on Pimp my Gun.
why not both xD
Guns come in three sizes in Warhammer 40k: Wee; Not so wee; and FRICKIN HUUUGE!
Excellent work. I never really knew how large a bolt was (I always thought it was about 1.5 inches in diameter).
When the Emperor wants something dead, he makes sure it'll have to be glued back together in hell.
Also, considering how absurd Warhammer vehicles are*, I think it's safe to say a Predator is far beyond the capabilities of an Abrams. And depending on the Bolter rounds used, the tank would either survival with superficial damage and possible some minor actual damage, or destroyed, considering as well, the showings for bolters can get into ridiculous levels.
*It was either a Leman Russ or a Baneblade that survived a point-blank bomb equal to a small nuke in size that left a massive crate, and launched the tank over fifty feet into the air. All the occupants survived.
I'd say a M-1, thanks to both armor and much better design, is about equivalent to a predator armed with a vanquisher cannon with some odd funky rules regarding fire support, coordinating fire and shooting on the move.
It was also a lot more than I wanted to write on the subject of technological realism in a gun developed at least 20,000 years in the future.
I did it anyway. So that settles it for me.
1. Your reference rounds are out of scale. Not talking about the bolt rounds, WHICH I will address, but, the 44 magnum, 5.7X28mm and .50 caliber. A .44 magnum's case is 33mm long. I have measured a 5.7X28mm round against a .44 Special case which is 29mm. The rounds are almost the same size. You must have used a cartridge smaller than a 9mm parabellum.
2. Your bolt gun ammo is HUGE!
3. The 'standard' bolt round, has an adamantium tipped projectile, with a mass reactive fuse and explosive charge behind it. Meaning that, if it hits someone, it will punch a hole in the target. A fraction of a second later the charge will detonate, turning that .75 caliber hole into something resembling a honeydew melon. Even more insidious is the fact that if the round hits armor, if it penetrates, it will continue on to do the same thing. Hit something fleshy and explode.
4. There are other forms of ammo. All are rather nasty in purpose and design. The Metalstorm is designed to explode a distance from the target, shredding it with shrapnel. The Kraken armor piercing round has 2 adamantine tips, with a small booster charge behind the first one, so when it hits a heavily armored target, the booster charge will go off, helping to punch a hole in the armor and let the main charge go through to do its lethal purpose. And so on and so forth...
Lore states that Space Marines are implanted a sheet of fabric under their skin called the Black Carapace that is basically bulletproof. Their bones are transformed that they become bulletproof as well. And their ribs become interlocking plates of bulletproof bone armor (hory shet). Anything wanting to get to a Space Marine's vital organs will have to go through 50mm of armor made of material stronger than diamond, and at least 15mm of bulletproof bone.
And everything they use is made out of "Adamantium" which is according to lore, the strongest material the Imperium of Man uses, ever. Plasma weapons can penetrate their armor (but it takes several shots for an Imperial plasma gun), but Halo's energy sword is too thin, and the Covenant's plasma rifles and pistols fire too small plasma blobs to do anything significant. The Needler requires that that its needles at least partially penetrate the enemy's armour to do any significant damage, and with low muzzle velocity and high brittleness, I don't see them penetrating Space Marine Power Armor. The Terran Marine Gauss Rifle fires hypersonic pieces of neosteel... I don't know how strong neosteel is.
However, a SPARTAN Laser would do the trick, but it cannot penetrate SM Terminator armor. Not even Imperial Lascannons can, and they shoot bigger lasers than the SPARTAN laser!
And Master Chief will defecate bricks if he goes up against Grey Knight Master Kaldor Draigo. The guy put down an extremely powerful daemon on his FIRST MISSION AS A RAW RECRUIT, carved the previous Grey Knight Master's name onto the heart of a Daemon Prince of Disease and banish him, AND NOT GET SICK IN THE AFTERMATH. He looked upon and slaughtered the Chosen Sisters of Slaanesh, which according to lore, takes only one look to steal your soul since they're all so sexy and tempting. And the guy escaped an impossible maze created by the Architect of Fate and the God of All Knowledge... and the guy set fire to the Lord of Death and Decay's garden. And the guy is now fighting billions of daemons (since he is in the Warp) like a bawss.
Also, a SM Librarian can just explode anyone's head with their psycho-magicks. Even other Space Marines.
And did I mention that a Space Marine Terminator can get stepped on by a 200-foot tall giga-megaton mecha and walk away like nothing happened?
And did I mention the Sanguinor, a 10-foot tall Space Marine with angel wings who breaks greater daemons' backs over his knee?
And did I mention the Space Wolves, who ride wolves the size cows into battle, and are so Nordic and Viking they put the Dovahkiin to shame?
And did I mention the Grey Knights, who once cleared an entire planet infested with daemons (trillions upon trillions of them) with just TWELVE SPEHSS MURREENS?
Overpowered? It's supposed to be overpowered. It's Warhammer 40,000, and there is only war. And there must be soldiers ready and willing to fight in that war.
I created an account just to change your thoughts about Space Marines.
As a side note, you can mash a diamond to dust with a hammer. A regular hammer.
Because, in Warhammer 40,000, everything is out to get humanity. Space Elves with amazing psychic powers; immortal demons that can rip your soul out; Egyptian-looking omnicidal space robot zombies with ships that can destroy stars; Ork hordes that know no fear and number in the tens of billions; Traitor Space Marines made even more overpowered by the Dark Gods, Communist Protoss with very advanced technology, etc. etc.
Warhammer 40,000 is a Tolkien fantasy brought to space... and made very, very, very, very, very, very overpowered.
Also, the Grey Knights think themselves too important, too skilled to engage anything but daemons and traitor space marines, because they think that aliens are unworthy of fighting against them. And they are right.
And as for the blowing up a planet/killing all life on it, the Imperium of Man actually does it a lot. Every day, in fact. If Chaos has tainted most of the planet's population into Satan-worshiping gits, or if xenos are too entrenched, they blow it up. And they don't care, because the Imperium has quadrillions more planets. Every day, trillions of innocent people die.
"So why hasn't humanity lost yet?"
Because of the Space Marines. They kill avatars of Eldar gods in humiliating ways, fend off billions of swarming orks (which are dumb, more ape-like orcs... in space) while losing only 4 of them; and they have unbreakable spirit. They are the most elite of all of the Imperium's forces, second only to the Adeptus Custodes, the Emperor's personal bodyguards.
Also, the Emperor of Mankind can destroy suns and still have enough energy to do a marathon spanning the Earth.
"So why haven't the aliens and the demons lost yet?"
Because one of his ridiculously overpowered sons (but not as overpowered as he is) mortally wounded him and now he's a tomato living only because of life support.
"If the Emperor is really that overpowered, why didn't he kill his son before he could strike?"
Because the Emperor was too forgiving. After being hit by a mace whose head explodes whatever it hits, the Emperor finally realized that his son was beyond saving and killed him with mind bullets. Then one of his other sons put him on a giant throne which also acts as life support, where he has been sitting on the past 10,000 years.
Also, after he's been put on the throne, Imperial citizens started worshiping the Emperor. The combined psychic might of dozens of quadrillions of people worshiping him as a god has turned the Emperor into a real God.
Unfortunately, he cannot go into battle because he's a rotting tomato sitting on a golden toilet.
This is fiction. Space Marines have weaponry that can easily break diamond.
-"SPARTANS catch bullets in the air, run at speeds of over 100mph, etc. etc."
UNSC propaganda. And some space marines can do that.
-"I played the games and space marines are cannon fodder."
They were made weak for balance.
-"Twelve wiped out a planet. Space Marines are god-modded."
No, the Grey Knights are simply that overpowered. Also, daemon-killing is their specialty.
-"With a 40% speed of light rapid-fire rail gun, I can kill space marines."
If your rail gun can break diamond, then yes, you can kill space marines.
That said, the detail on this artwork is really nice. And there are canon drawings of different bolt shells if you'd want to dig those up.
Eat bolter fire Xenos scum!
"Never get into a gunfight with a caliber that starts with a number smaller then four hon,... Those big bullets make big holes and big holes are a good thing to inflict on other people."
I do believe the Bolter manages to epitomize that philosophy...
If you're interested I'd be happy to point out what details you've mixed up, but judging by your post tbh I kind of doubt you'll be of a mind to listen.
-Even though the barrel on them is really huge, Bolters are "only" .75 cal; meaning 3/4ths of an inch wide, or half again as wide as the .50 BMG bullet you have shown. 40mm grenades are a good inch or two in diameter. Whereas your diagram shows bolt shells as being significantly bigger than either of these.
-A bolt round is similar to an RPG in the way the projectile works, not the destructive power. A bolter round will smash straight through any modern body armor like it weren't there and turn a person into flying bits of limbs and an unpleasant red mist, and could probably put a car/jeep/hummer out of action easily with one or two shots, maybe blow it up by shooting the fuel tank. An RPG-7 will turn a small shack, trailer, or civilian SUV into a crater guaranteed, or gut a lightly armored vehicle like a hummer or an APC. However, RPG-7's bounce off of Abrams tanks like spitballs.
-Due to the writers at GW being goofs, the fluff-stated strength of an AV14 Land Raider's front armor is equivalent to 300mm of high-grade steel. The M1 abrams tank has a front armor rated at equivalent to about 1500mm of high grade steel. It's another one of those "depleted deuterium" (which, chemically, means hydrogen gas) things
Clearly, this is simply a product of laughably woeful ignorance on the part of the writer responsible for claiming so, because as you say, land raiders are shown in other fluff to take a level of punishment far beyond this. However, considering that some of my fellow 40k fans get... too enthusiastic... about the setting, I and others enjoy breaking out this little factoid in order to poke holes in overinflated egos.
It's much like how bolters' destructiveness and armor-piercing power is stated to be because of their 'depleted deuterium' core. If you know your chemistry, you know that depleted deuterium is hydrogen gas. Literally THE least dense element in the universe, and thus, quite possibly THE worst possible material to use for an armor-piercing core.
Does this mean that bolters magically stop packing a hell of a punch? No. It just means that we're aware that someone at Games Workshop goofed spectacularly. The setting is full of such little 'oops' moments on the part of its writers, which is why for all its badassery, one should be sure never to take it *too* seriously.